The Dark Knight and onwards

I wish it had more competition. Iron Man was touted so highly and really, it was well acted, fun and competent.

This was more than that. It had elements of Michael Mann’s Heat all over it, from the opening sequence right on through the way noise and a lack thereof was used to ratchet up the drama.

I want to start with my only annoyance first. Bale’s Batman growl/talk is really fucking annoying. At times he just went over the line with it; it was an area I had hoped would be improved from the last film. Other than that, Bale was picture perfect.

Heath Ledger’s Joker was so menacing that me and Janaki were holding on to one another for support every time he hit the screen. The Joker exhausted me in a good way. From that opening sequence with the pencil right on through to the end, the Joker was absolutely perfect. Jack who?

The rise and fall of Harvey Dent was glorious to behold and their special effect choices with his face were brilliant.

It was long and dense but it all worked and fit together. I want to see it again.

And I want the next movie to be about Two-Face’s therapy in Arkham when Batman catches him in the opening action sequence of the film with an all-out Penguin-Riddler-Clayface (seriously, none of those guys deserve their own movie) gang war in the streets of Gotham as the Joker’s new class of criminal is born in the midst of Catwoman seducing Batman as a woman who accepts the Bat for who he is and Selina Kyle seducing Bruce Wayne for his money.

I want a movie about being a freak and what happens when the freaks hit Gotham and take over where the old mobs used to be.

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51 thoughts on “The Dark Knight and onwards

  1. I wanted my mommy whenever the Joker came on screen. :-\

    I agree about Batman’s voice. At times, his nose sounded stuffy.

    I would not argue with some Clayface!

  2. I wanted my mommy whenever the Joker came on screen. :-\

    I agree about Batman’s voice. At times, his nose sounded stuffy.

    I would not argue with some Clayface!

  3. I wanted my mommy whenever the Joker came on screen. :-\

    I agree about Batman’s voice. At times, his nose sounded stuffy.

    I would not argue with some Clayface!

  4. I thought Dent/Two-Face was dead at the end of The Dark Knight, wasn’t he? Not that people don’t return from the dead all the time in comics, but I got a pretty strong impression that he was out of the picture.

  5. I thought Dent/Two-Face was dead at the end of The Dark Knight, wasn’t he? Not that people don’t return from the dead all the time in comics, but I got a pretty strong impression that he was out of the picture.

  6. I thought Dent/Two-Face was dead at the end of The Dark Knight, wasn’t he? Not that people don’t return from the dead all the time in comics, but I got a pretty strong impression that he was out of the picture.

  7. I think you’re right, Lukas.

    The growly thing worked for me because it made me stop sim-twitching over the fact that people who know Bruce quite well can’t tell he’s Batman when he talks to them. Also, the fear-thing. I like it.

  8. It’d be Clayface because screenwriters DO love their shape-changers…

    For me? I’d love to see it as a horror film with Man-Bat as the monster. Set it up ala David Cronenberg’s The Fly.

  9. Bale’s Batman growl/talk is really fucking annoying.

    Agreed. It was serviceable most of the time but when he’s trying to argue philosophy with the Joker, he just sounds ridiculous.

  10. Bale’s Batman growl/talk is really fucking annoying.

    Agreed. It was serviceable most of the time but when he’s trying to argue philosophy with the Joker, he just sounds ridiculous.

  11. Bale’s Batman growl/talk is really fucking annoying.

    Agreed. It was serviceable most of the time but when he’s trying to argue philosophy with the Joker, he just sounds ridiculous.

  12. I don’t know how they could top this movie?

    Also I don’t think two face is dead, I think he was knocked out. That they will keep him locked up in Arkham, and say that Harvey Dent is dead. I think if he was dead Batman might have reacted differently, seeing how his one rule is he doesn’t kill people. Which they made a point of stating in the movie.

    I just don’t think he’s actually dead.
    As for future villains, bring on Cat woman!
    And what about Poison Ivy? And I mean the real deal.

  13. I don’t know how they could top this movie?

    Also I don’t think two face is dead, I think he was knocked out. That they will keep him locked up in Arkham, and say that Harvey Dent is dead. I think if he was dead Batman might have reacted differently, seeing how his one rule is he doesn’t kill people. Which they made a point of stating in the movie.

    I just don’t think he’s actually dead.
    As for future villains, bring on Cat woman!
    And what about Poison Ivy? And I mean the real deal.

  14. I don’t know how they could top this movie?

    Also I don’t think two face is dead, I think he was knocked out. That they will keep him locked up in Arkham, and say that Harvey Dent is dead. I think if he was dead Batman might have reacted differently, seeing how his one rule is he doesn’t kill people. Which they made a point of stating in the movie.

    I just don’t think he’s actually dead.
    As for future villains, bring on Cat woman!
    And what about Poison Ivy? And I mean the real deal.

  15. Did you see it in an IMAX? Now that is an experience… Amazing shit… And for me it is a special treat cause the movie really didn’t try to hide that it was Chicago… It reveled in it…

    I like Jared’s Man-bat idea, but I would dig on some Hugo Strange or maybe some Deadshot action… But it will probably be Arnold as Mr. Freeze again… 😉

  16. Did you see it in an IMAX? Now that is an experience… Amazing shit… And for me it is a special treat cause the movie really didn’t try to hide that it was Chicago… It reveled in it…

    I like Jared’s Man-bat idea, but I would dig on some Hugo Strange or maybe some Deadshot action… But it will probably be Arnold as Mr. Freeze again… 😉

  17. Did you see it in an IMAX? Now that is an experience… Amazing shit… And for me it is a special treat cause the movie really didn’t try to hide that it was Chicago… It reveled in it…

    I like Jared’s Man-bat idea, but I would dig on some Hugo Strange or maybe some Deadshot action… But it will probably be Arnold as Mr. Freeze again… 😉

  18. I feel like the only villains that make sense for the next one are riddler/catwoman. A really cerebral take on riddler would be awesome. Could be a great counterpoint to joker

    You can’t do clayface, he’s too comicbooky. He’s awesome, but he just isn’t believable and this series is all about coming from the real world.

  19. I feel like the only villains that make sense for the next one are riddler/catwoman. A really cerebral take on riddler would be awesome. Could be a great counterpoint to joker

    You can’t do clayface, he’s too comicbooky. He’s awesome, but he just isn’t believable and this series is all about coming from the real world.

  20. I feel like the only villains that make sense for the next one are riddler/catwoman. A really cerebral take on riddler would be awesome. Could be a great counterpoint to joker

    You can’t do clayface, he’s too comicbooky. He’s awesome, but he just isn’t believable and this series is all about coming from the real world.

  21. I’m also in the Riddler next camp. It’s the only thing that makes sense, given the rather psychological bent of the series thus far. The Penguin, Poison Ivy, Clayface? They’re cartoons. Catwoman’s a notch better but her interest is all in the not-quite-fucking-Batman side of things (or actually fucking Batman, depending on the writers and continuity, I suppose), but that’s so far from the psychology of the series so far (this Batman is practically sexless, with even his nominal love interest being a distant former childhood friend with whom he barely manages to share a single kiss).

    Of all his villains, the only remaining one I can see working is some really heavy take on the Riddler. Less “My Superpower is Fucking Up” Frank Gorshin and more the killer from Se7en or Saw, kind of thing (only better written than that latter, for certain). Where the Joker embodies a kind of primal, elemental chaos, the Riddler would be more the chessmaster, mastermind kind of villain. And done right, could be pretty scary himself.

  22. I’m also in the Riddler next camp. It’s the only thing that makes sense, given the rather psychological bent of the series thus far. The Penguin, Poison Ivy, Clayface? They’re cartoons. Catwoman’s a notch better but her interest is all in the not-quite-fucking-Batman side of things (or actually fucking Batman, depending on the writers and continuity, I suppose), but that’s so far from the psychology of the series so far (this Batman is practically sexless, with even his nominal love interest being a distant former childhood friend with whom he barely manages to share a single kiss).

    Of all his villains, the only remaining one I can see working is some really heavy take on the Riddler. Less “My Superpower is Fucking Up” Frank Gorshin and more the killer from Se7en or Saw, kind of thing (only better written than that latter, for certain). Where the Joker embodies a kind of primal, elemental chaos, the Riddler would be more the chessmaster, mastermind kind of villain. And done right, could be pretty scary himself.

  23. I’m also in the Riddler next camp. It’s the only thing that makes sense, given the rather psychological bent of the series thus far. The Penguin, Poison Ivy, Clayface? They’re cartoons. Catwoman’s a notch better but her interest is all in the not-quite-fucking-Batman side of things (or actually fucking Batman, depending on the writers and continuity, I suppose), but that’s so far from the psychology of the series so far (this Batman is practically sexless, with even his nominal love interest being a distant former childhood friend with whom he barely manages to share a single kiss).

    Of all his villains, the only remaining one I can see working is some really heavy take on the Riddler. Less “My Superpower is Fucking Up” Frank Gorshin and more the killer from Se7en or Saw, kind of thing (only better written than that latter, for certain). Where the Joker embodies a kind of primal, elemental chaos, the Riddler would be more the chessmaster, mastermind kind of villain. And done right, could be pretty scary himself.

  24. I’d go for a slew of monsterous villains, like killer croc, clay-face, man-bat, etc. But they can be fodder. Introducing the riddler or the penquin might be fun, but I’d really like to see the return of Ra’s. After all, a metaphorical Lazerus pit would be neat.

  25. I’d go for a slew of monsterous villains, like killer croc, clay-face, man-bat, etc. But they can be fodder. Introducing the riddler or the penquin might be fun, but I’d really like to see the return of Ra’s. After all, a metaphorical Lazerus pit would be neat.

  26. I’d go for a slew of monsterous villains, like killer croc, clay-face, man-bat, etc. But they can be fodder. Introducing the riddler or the penquin might be fun, but I’d really like to see the return of Ra’s. After all, a metaphorical Lazerus pit would be neat.

  27. I want a movie about being a freak and what happens when the freaks hit Gotham and take over where the old mobs used to be.<>

    Agreed. One of the thing I most liked about this movie was that it was not only about Batman, but about what happens in the greater scope of Gotham City when there is a Batman running around, not only in regards to the villains, but also looking at the good guys and the common folk.

  28. I want a movie about being a freak and what happens when the freaks hit Gotham and take over where the old mobs used to be.<>

    Agreed. One of the thing I most liked about this movie was that it was not only about Batman, but about what happens in the greater scope of Gotham City when there is a Batman running around, not only in regards to the villains, but also looking at the good guys and the common folk.

  29. I want a movie about being a freak and what happens when the freaks hit Gotham and take over where the old mobs used to be.<>

    Agreed. One of the thing I most liked about this movie was that it was not only about Batman, but about what happens in the greater scope of Gotham City when there is a Batman running around, not only in regards to the villains, but also looking at the good guys and the common folk.

  30. Just saw it last night. I spent about half the movie convinced that they’d end the film with a Joker victory. That’s how threatening and unstoppable his character seemed!

    As for the next movie, what about Bane and a version of the “Man Who Broke the Bat” storyline? Batman beat up Ra’s Al Gul and basically reached a stalemate with the Joker, but he’s never been completely defeated. It might be interesting to see how he comes back from that.

    Maybe throw in Catwoman as a subplot, and then have a scene in Arkham where Bane is freeing all the inmates, but chooses not to free Javier Bardem in Joker makeup…

  31. Just saw it last night. I spent about half the movie convinced that they’d end the film with a Joker victory. That’s how threatening and unstoppable his character seemed!

    As for the next movie, what about Bane and a version of the “Man Who Broke the Bat” storyline? Batman beat up Ra’s Al Gul and basically reached a stalemate with the Joker, but he’s never been completely defeated. It might be interesting to see how he comes back from that.

    Maybe throw in Catwoman as a subplot, and then have a scene in Arkham where Bane is freeing all the inmates, but chooses not to free Javier Bardem in Joker makeup…

  32. Just saw it last night. I spent about half the movie convinced that they’d end the film with a Joker victory. That’s how threatening and unstoppable his character seemed!

    As for the next movie, what about Bane and a version of the “Man Who Broke the Bat” storyline? Batman beat up Ra’s Al Gul and basically reached a stalemate with the Joker, but he’s never been completely defeated. It might be interesting to see how he comes back from that.

    Maybe throw in Catwoman as a subplot, and then have a scene in Arkham where Bane is freeing all the inmates, but chooses not to free Javier Bardem in Joker makeup…

  33. I’m watching Batman Begins right now, and if you listen to how he talks when he’s gassed — even under the effects of a wicked hallucinogen and when crying for help, he talks like Batman.

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